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Can he do it? What result if he does? The DH is terminated. Adam Wainwright is now required to be placed in the order as the pitcher in the 8 spot. He is not the starting pitcher that day. Shildt puts Cecil in at DH batting in the 9 spot. Then suppose Shildt wants to bring Cecil in to pitch in the 6th inning. If so, what result?
If he does, the DH is terminated. Cecil stays in the 9th spot in the order, but is no longer the DH. Continue with the previous example, and further suppose that Shildt decides Cecil is done pitching in the 8th inning and brings Ryan Helsley in to pitch. Can Cecil still DH? What result here? The moment Cecil became the pitcher was the moment the DH was terminated. When Helsley comes into the game, he comes into the game as the pitcher required to bat 9th.
Assuming Shildt wants Cecil to continue to hit but not pitch anymore that game, is there anything Shildt can do? In that scenario, Cecil stays in the 9 spot playing RF. If Helsley comes in to relieve Cecil on the mound, he will be placed in the order in the 6 spot. There is still no DH. Rays starter Charlie Morton has pitched 7 innings. The Rays are ahead going into the top of the 8th. Now right-handed hitting Mookie Betts is up. Instead, he moves Kolarek from the mound to first base and takes Choi out of the game.
After Roe retires Betts on a fly ball to left, Cash puts Kolarek back on the mound to face lefty Rafael Devers , removes Roe from the game and brings in Nate Lowe to play first base. Is all this legal? Is the DH still in the game? Kolarek was allowed to move from the mound to another position on defense once per inning. When Kolarek switched from pitcher to first base, that terminated the DH for the Rays. That means that both Kolareak the old pitcher and now the first baseman and Roe the new pitcher both had to be inserted into the batting order at that moment, which presented a multiple substitution situation.
In the actual game, home plate umpire Angel Hernandez said that Cash never told him what spot he wanted Kolarek and Roe to go into. There was no wrong choice, and the choice Hernandez made was a sensible one. Pete Alonso is going through it now. The difference is that you can see the Chili Davis input and can see how he is working pitches differently as the league is trying to attack his weaknesses.
Do you leave the pitcher in for one more inning if it means you can get one more PA from your DH? Did you not watch the World Series? Maybe the rule saves the manager from making monumentally stupid pitching changes.
Managers and GMs would be going nuts constructing rosters in a year such as this one. Would need and extra batter and one less relief pitcher. I bet what would happen is one would see more pitchers hitting the 10 day IL for tired arms etc. The standard DH rule is fine and long over due although I love seeing pitchers hit well, but other then that can we just let them play the game and stop all these stupid rule changes like this and the extra inning runner on 2nd and the playing only 7 innings during double headers and all the other dumb rules that have been implemented other the last year alone….
MLB is getting way to woke get woke go broke I wish all politics would stay out off sports. Every time I think MLB has come up with the worst idea ever, they come along and surprise me with something even worse. No DH and no pitchers batting. Batting order is 8 people instead of 9. Imagine a game your starter gives up 4 runs in the first inning and you take him out and lose your DH and 4 hitter at the same time.
For that matter, should you even bat the DH cleanup in the first place or move him down to 6th or 7th in the order? The double hook just sounds like a way for the league to suppress wages once the universal DH happens.
How so? I do t see the connection. Nothing nefarious about trying to avoid overpaying. Is it nefarious when players try to get the most money? With the rapid rate of TJS in the game the last thing they should be trying to do is incentivizing keeping your starter in longer, or making them throw from a longer distance. Thus making them potentially have to exert even more torque on their arm…. Put the mound back to the traditional 15 inches height rather than Experiment with that and see how it goes.
Every player, manager, executive, and fan could oppose these dumb changes and Manfred would still go ahead and sign off on them. Sick of seeing bad-bodied guys waddle over to the ball and make a limp-armed throw, just because they can mash — these are two totally opposite skillsets btw, why do all players need to have both? You play the field AND you bat. It did wonders for football. Of course, the pay structure would be a huge problem. Maybe it should have been done 45 years ago when it was first proposed.
That double hook rule is… actually not that bad. The only explanation I hear for keeping the pitchers hitting is strategy and this would actually increase that. No, but it does make the game better. Nobody goes to a restaurant for the salad dressing but try eating a dry salad. Not a big fan of moving the mound back, but I like the double hook DH rule. I first saw the idea in an article for the Athletic, so wonder if that is where it originated?
There are some downsides to it though… what if a pitcher gets injured in the 1st inning? Seems weird to possibly lose the DH and a pitcher in the 1st inning of a game. I think they should add an injury clause or not have the rule apply if the pitcher gets removed in the 1st inning. But what if the pitcher gets rocked in the first inning? Just put a DH in both leagues and call it a day. Bench players are still mostly somewhat decent MLB hitters. Allow the DH to take the field when the pitcher is removed.
Allow the pitcher to hit in the the spot of the replaced fielder. As a fan of the current DH rule, I would have voted for it to be universal as is in both leagues.
The first rule proposition is even more ludicrous. No pitching mound at all? Bigger baseballs? Shift banning? The extra-inning rule and 7-inning double headers especially draw my ire, to say nothing of the LOOGY measure. This is b. If MLB is really serious about speeding up their games they could do it very easily with two more sensible changes by prioritizing the automated strike zone and then have the home plate umpire ENFORCE the time clock rule that states a pitch needs to be thrown within 20 seconds.
Of course, this also means no time-out delays from the hitters either. Instead, the commissioner seems more concerned about adding a more ridiculous rule like banning shifts and doing little about improving the quality of a game that basically has come down to 3 outcomes since the addition of advanced analytics into its sport.
They just have to allow pitchers to seamlessly occupy the DH spot, if they get pulled as a pitcher, they can stay in as a DH. This also allows any bad hitting pitcher who thinks theyre great because they bat.
Baseball has been just fine for years. Now Manford and his radical Regime are ruining the game. Someone needs to stop this nonsense.. Ugh with the helmet thing again.
They added those very early in the games history. And helmets were an obvious necessity and part of the early tweaking of the game ; The DH, runner on in extras?
No such obvious need. I coached tournament softball for 10 years. Teams hustled, coaches hustled and umpires hustled. Strategy was involved as the game got longer because you knew if you wanted that last inning to start, you did things more quickly.
Two hours and 30 minutes would be my limit. No regular inning could start after minutes. Game over at the end of that inning. If the game was tied and minutes has not been passed, play on with standard rules. If after minutes the game is still tied, last out goes to 2nd base each half inning until we have a winner. Standard DH in both leagues is best. Well a good starter, even tired out from pitching several innings, is still often better than a fresh reliever.
I believe managers pull starters too soon in general. So did Mike Greenberge get his idea from this or did the Commissioner get his idea from him regarding the DH. No exceptions. Who knows, it might be effective…. Allow pitchers to occupy the DH spot even if they get pulled from the game on the pitching-side is totally fine by me. I want to see Ohtani hit more unless against Oakland!
Or just leave it the way it was. There was zero confusion before. Just put it back. Why should you make an untrained hitter, hit? But he is a good player! Pitching and hitting are two different animals, and by telling one side to do the other is just ignorant imo.
Bassitt probably hit over in high school.. Any action you subtract from anything lessens the likelihood of consequences but the idea that pitchers running the bases is somehow a ticking time bomb is just wrong.
Pitcher gets hurt fielding a ball so anything hit within the circle or in front of the mound is an automatic out? Maybe we just use a pitching machine? Uh oh, batter got hurt running again. Before pitch counts, how many Tommy John surgeries were there each year?
Seems like we have 2 per week now that we are protecting all these guys. How many pitchers are knocking in more runs than batters this year?
Even in high school, players are being taught to lift the ball. This is a downstream effect of defensive metrics. The left handed base hit is basically dead. You have second basemen playing short right field. I intended to have an option for the standard Universal DH we saw in in the poll and omitted that as an oversight. Apologies on the oversight, and thanks to those who pointed it out.
A lot of times there are edits to issues in articles on here with no mention of it and it makes the comment sections very confusing. TL:DR, thanks for fixing it and saying you did, makes it a lot less confusing for me as a reader. Lets keep it going. Moving the mound back decreases the value of the elevated fastball and increases incentive to throw a breaking pitch studies show off speed are move effective from a farther distance less elevated fastballs and having to deal with nasty breaking balls may make hitters have a more contact oriented approach at the plate instead of always looking for the middle in fastball.
Sometimes, change is needed. These are attempts to experiment with rules without doing anything to jeopardize the game itself. I know people are upset about the 7 inning double header rule,but. Let the home team decide dh or not. Gives added home field advantage so increases fans leaving happy.
The problem being he could lose 4 very easily and still leave us with his middle finger sticking up. MLB should stop changing the basic rules of baseball. We love baseball. On the other hand should investigate and show objective results for the juiced ball after they purchase the baseball manufacturer, and doctoring balls. Im not joking about this but i think it was hulk hogan yes him was pitching in h.
Blew out his arm. Implement the current DH system in the National League. Pitchers batting add nothing to the game. Quit calling pitches out of the strike zone strikes. The strike zone has expanded tremendously in the last 50 years especially up and away from the batter. The ball should be entirely in the strike zone at some point to be called a strike.
Automate the calling of balls and strikes. Modern broadcasts which show whether the pitch was a ball or strike have revealed how many pitch calls are missed by the umpires. Strike zone has not expanded the last 50 years. Tom Glavine is a good start. Glavine and Maddox were the ones who led the way in getting balls called strikes.
Eventually everyone emulated them because they were successful. Umpires are not stretching the plate that way anymore. Not even close. Calling more strikes above the belt? Not enough, but yes. My understanding of the DH is that a manager gets to substitute one hitter to bat in the place of one position player.
How about Manfred and his friends stop coming up with rules hurting pitchers, like a max number of pickoff attempts. If Manfred continues to destroy pitchers Selig did too , it will destroy the game. Do more for pitchers and stop making their job harder. It adds another element. This scenario rewards the better constructed teams. Lose a starter in the 1st? OK, that happens now. Lose the DH?
For the mad scientists, do they team their 5th starter with another pitcher at DH, so they still have that 9th regular hitter to bring in if they lose the DH early? The rule could be beneficial. Introducing another level of strategy is a double-edged sword, however. Current baseball fans may be intrigued by the new rules. Why would they even consider messing with the mound distance?
These kids have been pitching from the same distance since age They tailor their breaking balls to break just at the right time to either catch part of the plate, or break just outside of the plate.
I think this idea is beyond ridiculous. And the proposed DH rule is beyond stupid too. I think not. And people pay to see JDM, Cruz, etc.. This would also get rid of the Opener entirely. Neither of these rule changes make any sense. If they want to improve pace of play, institute the electronic strike zone and pitch clock.
While I personally like the live ump calling balls and strikes, the electronic strike zone would at least make the game consistent across the board. Except that the Good job. I love that there are guys who can really pitch and hit Degrom, Kershaw, Scherzer but most pitchers are automatic outs. I like the idea of the double hook because it forces you to use your bench and forces starters to go deeper in games. However, I would be for it after you use your 3rd pitcher.
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